Make Qwen3-1.7B the resident model #46

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Deploy target is a Ryzen laptop (homesrv) with Vulkan offload to the Vega iGPU (`n_gpu_layers: 99`,
compose passes `/dev/dri` + the render gid) — the resident model stays ≤1.7B either way.
**Resident model:** currently **Qwen3.5-0.8B** (`Q4_K_M`), the smallest checkpoint in the gguf
library, picked for CPU/iGPU latency. The **target** is the locally CPT'd **Qwen3-1.7B**; that
training is still in flight (Vikunja #122), so no such gguf exists yet. Model files live in
**Resident model:** currently **Qwen3-1.7B** (`UD-Q4_K_XL`), stock — not yet the CPT'd one.
It replaced Qwen3.5-0.8B on 2026-07-31 because it measured better on both fixtures we have:
67.5% vs 59.7% intent-only on the 77-case RU routing fixture, and 20/27 vs 11-17/27 on the
talk fixture. See `MODEL-BAKEOFF-31-07-2026.md`. It is a Thinking variant, so `n_ctx` is 4096
— reasoning tokens need the room, and 4096 is what the scores above were measured at.
The **target** is still the locally CPT'd **Qwen3-1.7B** (Vikunja #122, training in flight).
Stock already speaks good Russian; what it gets wrong is the persona — it writes `я рад`,
masculine, where Maven needs `рада`. That is what the CPT is for.
**Do not bother with sub-500M models.** LFM2.5-230M and 350M were measured on 2026-07-31 and
both are unusable in Russian: the 350M routes at 5.2% (worse than guessing) and answers
"столица Франции?" with the invented non-word "Сторзит"; the 230M replies to Russian in
Spanish. Their strong published IFEval/BFCL numbers are English-only. Model files live in
`/mnt/hdd1/llms`, bind-mounted to `/opt/maven/models/llm` — which **shadows** the repo's
`models/llm/`, so the LFM2.5 gguf sitting there is not loaded by anything. Swapping the resident
model is a one-line change to `phraser.model_path` in `deploy/mavend.json`.
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# Resident model bake-off — 31-07-2026
**Recommendation: keep Qwen3.5-0.8B.** LFM2.5-1.2B is worse at routing (52.6% vs 60.5%
intent accuracy), and the loss is almost entirely Russian (18/61 vs 22/61 RU, while EN is a
wash). It is also 2.4× slower. The Thinking variant is far worse again.
**Outcome: the resident model is stock Qwen3-1.7B** (`UD-Q4_K_XL`). Two sweeps ran this
evening and the second one changed the answer — read to the end before acting on any table
here. [Second sweep](#second-sweep-same-evening--five-models-and-a-resident-model-change)
is the one that holds.
## First sweep — LFM2.5-1.2B vs Qwen3.5-0.8B
**Verdict, scoped to this pair: keep Qwen3.5-0.8B over LFM2.5-1.2B.** LFM2.5-1.2B is worse
at routing (52.6% vs 60.5% intent accuracy), and the loss is almost entirely Russian
(18/61 vs 22/61 RU, while EN is a wash). It is also 2.4× slower. The Thinking variant is
far worse again. This verdict still stands as written — it rejects LFM2.5-1.2B. It is
**not** a recommendation to keep 0.8B as the resident model; the second sweep replaced it
with Qwen3-1.7B.
Settles Vikunja **#278 / #250**.
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Routing only. LFM2.5 might still phrase better, and phrasing is the resident model's other
job — that needs its own fixture. But routing is the load-bearing path and Maven is
Russian-first, so on the evidence here the switch is not worth making.
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# Second sweep, same evening — five models, and a resident-model change
The sections above compared LFM2.5-1.2B against Qwen3.5-0.8B on routing and concluded
"the switch is not worth making". That still holds. This sweep asked a different
question — whether a *smaller* model could work, since LFM2.5's published
instruction-following scores beat Qwen3.5-0.8B badly — and answered it, plus found a
better resident model by accident.
**Outcome: the resident model is now stock Qwen3-1.7B.** Sub-500M is a dead end.
## Routing — 77 Russian cases, one run each
| model | on disk | llm-only (full) | llm-only (intent) | cascade + fallback |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| LFM2.5-230M-Q8_0 | 246 MB | 23.4% | 33.8% | 36.4% |
| LFM2.5-350M-Q8_0 | 379 MB | 2.6% | **5.2%** | 20.8% |
| Qwen3.5-0.8B-Q4_K_M | 527 MB | 36.4% | 59.7% | 61.0% |
| Qwen3.5-2B-UD-Q4_K_XL | 1.34 GB | 42.9% | 62.3% | 63.6% |
| **Qwen3-1.7B-UD-Q4_K_XL (stock)** | 1.13 GB | **44.2%** | **67.5%** | **72.7%** |
Qwen3-1.7B wins every column, including against a model 20% larger than it.
## Talk fixture — 27 cases, three runs each, idle box
| | Qwen3.5-0.8B | Qwen3-1.7B stock |
|---|---|---|
| composite | 13, 11, 8 | **20, 21, 18** |
| address | 21, 18, 18 | **26, 25, 23** |
| feminine | 27, 25, 26 | 26, 27, 26 |
| lang | 27, 27, 26 | 26, 27, 27 |
| ontopic | 16, 19, 19 | **22, 23, 23** |
| canned fallbacks | 8, 5, 6 | **0, 2, 0** |
This also fills the row `TALK-EVAL-31-07-2026.md` had to void for contamination:
**600ch/1024tok on Qwen3.5-0.8B scores 13, 11, 8.**
`address` is the headline. It sat at 18-22 of 27 on the 0.8B no matter how the prompt
was worded — the prompt explicitly forbids "вы" and the model writes `вашей`,
`подождите`, `делаете` anyway. That was read as "prompting is out of levers", and it
was really "0.8B is out of capacity". The 1.7B mostly holds the constraint.
The fallback column matters too: 5-8 of 27 turns on the 0.8B end in a hardcoded
`"не знаю."`, meaning it failed to emit parseable JSON about a quarter of the time.
The 1.7B does that 0-2 times.
## Latency — the long tail is not the Thinking block
| | p50 | p95 |
|---|---|---|
| Qwen3.5-0.8B | 2.4s, 2.9s, 2.0s | 17.4s, 17.6s, 17.4s |
| Qwen3-1.7B stock | 2.7s, 2.6s, 2.8s | 16.4s, 6.6s, 3.9s |
p50 is flat across a 2× size difference. The first instinct on seeing the 1.7B's
16s p95 was "that is the reasoning trace, cap it" — wrong. The 0.8B's p95 is a
consistent 17s and the 1.7B beat it in two of three runs. The tail is shared and
lives somewhere else. Do not spend time on `/no_think` on this evidence.
## Sub-500M: not close, and the benchmarks say otherwise for a reason
LFM2.5-350M publishes IFEval 76.96 against Qwen3.5-0.8B's 59.94, and BFCLv3 44.11
against 35.08 — better at instruction-following and structured output, at 2/3 the
size. Those numbers are real and they are **English**. Every benchmark in that
table except Multi-IF is English-only.
In Russian, with a 300-token budget and temperature 0:
- **350M**, «Столица Франции? Ответь кратко.» → *«Сторзит в Париже.»*`Сторзит` is
not a word; it is invented morphology.
- **350M**, asked to read back a reminder → a fortune cookie about being attentive
and confident. No reminder in it.
- **230M**, «Привет, как дела?» → answered **in Spanish**.
The 230M beating the 350M six-fold on routing (33.8% vs 5.2%) is the other tell:
when the larger sibling collapses like that it is format compliance failing, not
reasoning.
This is a pretraining gap, not a fine-tuning gap. Teaching Russian to a 350M from
near-zero is not an afternoon on a Colab, which was the premise worth checking.
## Why this vindicates the 1.7B CPT
Stock Qwen3-1.7B, untrained and unprompted, answers all three probes in fluent
correct Russian. What it gets wrong is the persona: *«Привет! Я рад, что ты здесь»*
`рад` is masculine and Maven needs `рада`. That is the right kind of remaining
problem, and it is exactly what the CPT (Vikunja #122) is for.
The 1.7B was the correct model choice. What was wrong was treating it as a
**blocker**: stock already beats what was deployed, so it ships now and gets
swapped again when the CPT lands.
## Caveats
- Routing is one run per model, not three. The gaps between families are far larger
than the run-to-run spread seen on the talk fixture, but the 2B-vs-1.7B gap (62.3
vs 67.5) is not safe to call on one run.
- The routing numbers only reach production once the LLM router is wired on. It is
still `nil`.
- `/mnt/hdd1/llms/LFM2.5/Qwen3-1.7B-UD-Q4_K_XL.gguf` is a 293 MB truncated download
in the wrong directory. The good 1.13 GB copy is in `qwen3/`. Delete the stray one.
- Harness: `scratchpad/bakeoff.sh`, one server at a time, health-checked before each
run, `/v1/models` recorded per run. Never run two LLM consumers at once — see the
contamination note in `TALK-EVAL-31-07-2026.md`.
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"state_dir": "/var/lib/maven",
"phraser": {
"model_path": "/opt/maven/models/llm/qwen3.5/Qwen3.5-0.8B.Q4_K_M.gguf",
"model_path": "/opt/maven/models/llm/qwen3/Qwen3-1.7B-UD-Q4_K_XL.gguf",
"bin_path": "llama-server",
"n_gpu_layers": 99,
"n_ctx": 2048,
"n_ctx": 4096,
"timeout": "60s",
"llm_nudges": false
},